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Re: Java doing my head in

Paul Browne - Technology in p — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:16:36 -0000

Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.

Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.

Just don't diss Eclipse. We've been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project's I couldn't do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you're better off using --Select Editor of Choice here--

Re: Java doing my head in

Brian White — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:41:34 -0000

Agree, completely.

Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.

The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn't so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture.

Re: Java doing my head in

Jonathan Brazil — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:53:42 -0000

I have to say Paul that I completely agree with your sentiments. I remember my first touch on JSP development and how shocked I was regarding it's complexity compared to server-side jscript on IIS that I had used most recently before that. The whole snobby attitude towards development is in need of a facelift. I remember about 8 years ago being laughed out of it when I suggested that HTML apps would take over within 10 years. The reason I saw it happening was simplicity of development and deployment. Sadly though the snobbs of development sank their teeth into it and put heavyweight processes and containers in place again, stiffling the ease of development. Complexity of design and deployment should never be confused with app scalability and robustness, one does not mean the other!

Re: Java doing my head in

James Mernin — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:33:01 -0000

I have to agree. I too found myself spending far too long in JSP/Spring hell when all I wanted to do was make some trivial changes to a web page. It is true that this is new technology to me and maybe it will take a little more time to learn to appreciate the upside (if there is one) but I'm not getting that warm-and-fuzzy feeling ...

First impressions last ... and quite frankly, I ain't impressed!